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#484 closed Task/To do item (fixed)

We need to submit a proposal to the GMC 2008 conference and prepare for the workshop

Reported by: https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie Owned by: https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie
Priority: Medium Component: Outreach
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The NYC Grassroots Media Conference is Sunday, March 2. We should submit a proposal for a session.

I created a wiki page with proposal.

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comment:1 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

  • Owner changed from https://id.mayfirst.org/alfredo to https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

I'm nearly certain that the deadline will be delayed until the first week of February (from January 22) so we have a bit more breathing room.

comment:2 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

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comment:3 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

Is the Internet the world's largest social movement? dkg raised this point (because it's in the current discussion). I remember agreeing to change the book from calling it the world's largest movement to the world's largest social movement to distinguish it from a religious movement. I think it's important to keep. This is a discussion that is useful for us to have with people.

comment:4 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/dkg

  • Keywords gmc2008 added

I think you'd be hard pressed to not consider Christianity a social movement in addition to a religious one, since it has so many facets of representation. If you want to remove religious movements from the superlative to make it cleaner, i think using an explicit "non-religious" or "secular" qualifier is probably the way to go.

OTOH, doing this raises gov't-enforced communism, say, as a "large social movement", with possibly more than 1 billion people, if the population of china is the reference figure.

I've made an edit of the proposal deflating the superlatives somewhat. I don't think it reads that bad. A movement doesn't have to be "the biggest" to still be important.

comment:5 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/alfredo

Not sure if we're talking about this here or on the wiki itself but...

I agree with the dkg spirit: keep things as accurate as we can make them. But I also think there's a very good reason to use the term "movement" and that's because a major part of our "target constituency" is movement activists and the term "movement" injects an element of their own "involvement" that collaboration doesn't necessarily. Activists hear the word "movement" and start thinking about their current involvement in it and ways to expand or initiate that involvement. I don't think the word "collaboration" would push the same button and, for organizing, that's an important button to push. It will, I think, help us direct discussions in certain more productive directions -- away from the merely theoretical to more practical ideas.

I think that's why we started calling it a "movement" in the first place - to provoke an important discussion about its character.

I'd have no problem calling it one of the largest and fastest growing movements in human history, though. And I think the proposal's a fine one and could really go in as it stands...once we clear up that "collaboration" or "movement" thing.

Nice job!

Alfredo

comment:6 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

I just made a small change - adding "All ideas belong to the group." I see that you, dkg, removed the sentence about how there is no ownership of ideas. I think that's an important point to explicitly say, so I tried saying it a little differently.

As for the movement - I agree with Alfredo (I didn't change it back because I thought it would be more grown-up of me to have the discussion rather than go back and forth editing :).

How we talk about things is important - and I think it's particularly important to have activists re-think the Internet and it's potential.

To me a movement is a group of people working toward a shared vision. And, the entire purpose of our workshop is to develop and strengthen a shared vision of the Internet.

I'm interested in developing this shared vision not just because it will make collaboration easier (although all the rights we came up with at the USSF will help with that) but because I want us to apply the political vision of our activist allies to the Internet so the Internet can be more strongly infused with the values of the left. So - more than a practical exercise (which I think collaboration connotes) , it is a political exercise (which I think is better conveyed with movement).

comment:7 follow-up: Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/dkg

fwiw, i never changed the word "movement" to "collaboration". It was there from version 1 on, so i'm not sure what "change it back" means.

"All ideas belong to the group" means something very different from "there is no ownership of ideas". Those are both interesting concepts, and i'm happy to have either of them in our proposal. I only removed the original sentence because it doesn't really "scan":

Like the philosophy of free software on the Internet, there is no ownership of ideas.

That is, the second clause doesn't really attach well to the first. I tried rephrasing it a couple times to get them to connect, and in the end, i went with a sentence that describes the the mechanism, and not the ideology. I'm happy to see some sort of ideological focus return.

comment:8 in reply to: ↑ 7 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

Replying to https://id.mayfirst.org/dkg:

fwiw, i never changed the word "movement" to "collaboration". It was there from version 1 on, so i'm not sure what "change it back" means.

Sorry - my misreading of the diff! I'm changing now.

"All ideas belong to the group" means something very different from "there is no ownership of ideas". Those are both interesting concepts, and i'm happy to have either of them in our proposal. I only removed the original sentence because it doesn't really "scan":

Like the philosophy of free software on the Internet, there is no ownership of ideas.

That is, the second clause doesn't really attach well to the first. I tried rephrasing it a couple times to get them to connect, and in the end, i went with a sentence that describes the the mechanism, and not the ideology. I'm happy to see some sort of ideological focus return.

Great :).

comment:9 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

The deadline has been extended to the end of the week. I also emailed Amanda and Ross (Ross may be able to make it as well) this discussion in the hopes of getting them involved as well.

Jamie

comment:10 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

Wah - after all this I didn't submit the proposal yesterday (the extended deadline)! I just submitted it now using the latest version on the wiki.

Jamie

comment:11 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

  • Summary changed from We need to submit a proposal to the GMC 2008 conference to We need to submit a proposal to the GMC 2008 conference and prepare for the workshop

I'm broadening the title to include preparations.

I'll let people know about the status of the workshop. If it's accepted we should plan a day to prepare.

comment:12 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

We've been accepted. Email from Hilary:

   hey jamie,

   in case i hadn't mentioned to you before - we did accept your workshop for
   the conference.  if you have any edits - well i think you know what to
   do.  the only thing we thought might be good to add was some mention of
   what you were going to do with the internet bill of rights - like a
   forward action or utility or something.
   otherwise it's all good to go.  we thought you would be best in the last
   slot of the day too - but let me know whether or not that would work for
   you.

   thanks!!

comment:13 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/alfredo

In my new "personal goal" to take outreach more seriously (something, as people now, that I've been quite self-critical about recently) and actually do my job in that area better, I've discussed with Jamie how to approach this activity. We'd like to have a discussion about it in Sunset Park, if possible, on Feb. 21. This is also one day before our Bluestockings presentation and it might be useful to have a brief chat about that. Also, will we do what we do at GRMC at the Anarchist Book Fair as well?

And other topics. All who can come should feel free to. :-)

comment:14 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/ross

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I just ran across this quote from the FCC commissioner.

"Consumers don't want the Internet to be another version of old media, dominated by a handful of
media giants," said FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein, who called for creation of an "Internet
Bill of Rights" to ensure equal access to all lawful content on the Web.

from Business Week

I thought it might be an interesting preamble to the workshop. How would an FCC sponsored Internet Bill of Rights differ from a statement of Internet rights produced in a grassroots distributed fashion? Or is this one of those strange-bed-fellows-cross-ideological-issues?

comment:15 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

Thanks for bringing this in Ross. I'm not sure if the mechanism would be that different - I could see the FCC organizing a series of meetings (as they do) requesting comments and suggestions for an Internet Bill of Rights in which, depending on how outreach was done, could bring in many grassroots groups. I've been to FCC related hearings and seen community groups really turn out.

I think the difference is in approach - the FCC speaks for consumers, not organizers. If we view the Internet as something to be consumed we will come up with a different set of rights than if we view the Internet as a movement to be organized.

Speaking of which... I heard on the radio the new Verizon FIOS adds where they are pushing in their ads equal upload and download speeds. The ads emphasize people uploading material. We've been pushing the point that people are producers of information, not just consumers for very political reasons. Now, with YouTube and Flickr, etc. the idea of being a producer on the Internet is becoming a new way to consume!

comment:16 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/dkg

  • Resolution set to fixed
  • Status changed from assigned to closed

Our workshop at the GMC 2008 was a success. Interesting discussion, new ideas, and another demonstration of the IR software as a tool to foster engaged dialogue.

comment:17 Changed 11 years ago by https://id.mayfirst.org/jamie

Thanks for closing this out dkg. I just posted the results on my blog.

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